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	<title>Comments on: Campaigners can still learn from the Abolition of Slavery: guest post by Max Lawson</title>
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		<title>By: BRYAN</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BRYAN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 11:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.
We have introduced a brief history of the Abolition of Slavery in the British colonies and Mauritius in  the Indian Ocean, on  the History page in our website mauritius.genosy.com
We would like to have your opinion and comments, and see if there is anything missing of need adding.
Thank you
Bryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
We have introduced a brief history of the Abolition of Slavery in the British colonies and Mauritius in  the Indian Ocean, on  the History page in our website mauritius.genosy.com<br />
We would like to have your opinion and comments, and see if there is anything missing of need adding.<br />
Thank you<br />
Bryan</p>
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		<title>By: Muthoni Muriu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Muthoni Muriu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max (and commentators)

Thank you for a very interesting post and for the equally interesting comments. For me the morale of the story is that it took staying power - 50 years! - to achieve abolition. It seems that when the issue represents a vested interest for entrenched and powerful forces, campaigners need to dig in for the long haul.  These campaigners did not lose steam - even after the ten year set back! - and it leads me to question the &#039;winnability&#039; of campaigns that have sustainable and systemic change as their goal and yet are accompained by a timeline of three to five years.

Take for example the suffragates and their battle for the right to vote.  That took fifteen years (1903 - 1918) and another ten to get the right to run for any political office. The Jubilee 2000 coalition ran for ten years -and had some important success - but a lot of the high profile work wiht the international coalition has died down.  Could it be that if we had continued this effort for another ten years, we might be having a different conversation about the food security crisis afflicting many developing countries? What about another thirty years to Jubilee 2050 - just as the world population hits 8 billion?  Less inequality and as Lisa suggests - a fair playing field where men and women have the ability to feed their families with dignity? Obviously true systemic change takes time so Max.... I am totally with you on the importance of not only challenging, but also regulating, the financial sector.  However, since there is &#039;passionate and complete oppositon by the financial sector and political leaders in the UK and US&#039; to the idea of an FTT and considering the history of great campaigns you so elegantly introduced, what should we prepare ourselves for? Ten years and an internationally mandated and enforced Robin Hood Tax or is that twenty years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max (and commentators)</p>
<p>Thank you for a very interesting post and for the equally interesting comments. For me the morale of the story is that it took staying power &#8211; 50 years! &#8211; to achieve abolition. It seems that when the issue represents a vested interest for entrenched and powerful forces, campaigners need to dig in for the long haul.  These campaigners did not lose steam &#8211; even after the ten year set back! &#8211; and it leads me to question the &#8216;winnability&#8217; of campaigns that have sustainable and systemic change as their goal and yet are accompained by a timeline of three to five years.</p>
<p>Take for example the suffragates and their battle for the right to vote.  That took fifteen years (1903 &#8211; 1918) and another ten to get the right to run for any political office. The Jubilee 2000 coalition ran for ten years -and had some important success &#8211; but a lot of the high profile work wiht the international coalition has died down.  Could it be that if we had continued this effort for another ten years, we might be having a different conversation about the food security crisis afflicting many developing countries? What about another thirty years to Jubilee 2050 &#8211; just as the world population hits 8 billion?  Less inequality and as Lisa suggests &#8211; a fair playing field where men and women have the ability to feed their families with dignity? Obviously true systemic change takes time so Max&#8230;. I am totally with you on the importance of not only challenging, but also regulating, the financial sector.  However, since there is &#8216;passionate and complete oppositon by the financial sector and political leaders in the UK and US&#8217; to the idea of an FTT and considering the history of great campaigns you so elegantly introduced, what should we prepare ourselves for? Ten years and an internationally mandated and enforced Robin Hood Tax or is that twenty years?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria Huff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The diagram of the slave ship &quot;Brookes&quot; was also a key campaign breakthrough, helping people understand the conditions on board - I believe it was created by the Thomas Clarkson for the campaign.  It showed the legal amount of slaves which could be carried in such a ship (in fact there may have been more carried).

[More on Thomas Clarkson here: http://abolition.e2bn.org/box_59.html] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The diagram of the slave ship &#8220;Brookes&#8221; was also a key campaign breakthrough, helping people understand the conditions on board &#8211; I believe it was created by the Thomas Clarkson for the campaign.  It showed the legal amount of slaves which could be carried in such a ship (in fact there may have been more carried).</p>
<p>[More on Thomas Clarkson here: <a href="http://abolition.e2bn.org/box_59.html" rel="nofollow">http://abolition.e2bn.org/box_59.html</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Avinash Kumar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avinash Kumar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Max, for this very insightful and indeed inspiring tale. Indeed all the campaigns currently fighting on behalf of the poor and the marginalised can take heart from the same.
I would certainly back FTT not as an end in itself but as an entry point to force debates around larger issues of inequality, questioning the systemic and entrenched forms of capitalism as Lisa says. This would necessarily have to link up with many other forms of peoples struggles going on the ground, around equitable rights to resources, a parity in access to quality basic needs. But more importantly what we need to struggle for eventually is a vision which paves the road for everyone to participate on an equal footing in the development process and this would certainly need &#039;a paradigm change&#039;, to use an old jargon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Max, for this very insightful and indeed inspiring tale. Indeed all the campaigns currently fighting on behalf of the poor and the marginalised can take heart from the same.<br />
I would certainly back FTT not as an end in itself but as an entry point to force debates around larger issues of inequality, questioning the systemic and entrenched forms of capitalism as Lisa says. This would necessarily have to link up with many other forms of peoples struggles going on the ground, around equitable rights to resources, a parity in access to quality basic needs. But more importantly what we need to struggle for eventually is a vision which paves the road for everyone to participate on an equal footing in the development process and this would certainly need &#8216;a paradigm change&#8217;, to use an old jargon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 03:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess my problem is that I want us to be campaigning for changes that mean that the WFP is unnecessary! I don&#039;t want them to be charitably feeding more people. I want Oxfam, and other INGOs, to be fighting for systemic changes that would mean that the women and men in developing countries would have a fair playing field on which to feed themselves - and their children! I want economic justice.

I think that campaigns like the Grow campaign are fighting for systemic changes - and I am glad that Oxfam is putting a lot of energy there as well.

I see why people are arguing for the tax - we need more money in order to create change. Yes, definitely. I just think that in order to create real and sustainable change we need to focus on changing the system. No matter how much money we have, if the system doesn&#039;t change them real sustainable change is not possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess my problem is that I want us to be campaigning for changes that mean that the WFP is unnecessary! I don&#8217;t want them to be charitably feeding more people. I want Oxfam, and other INGOs, to be fighting for systemic changes that would mean that the women and men in developing countries would have a fair playing field on which to feed themselves &#8211; and their children! I want economic justice.</p>
<p>I think that campaigns like the Grow campaign are fighting for systemic changes &#8211; and I am glad that Oxfam is putting a lot of energy there as well.</p>
<p>I see why people are arguing for the tax &#8211; we need more money in order to create change. Yes, definitely. I just think that in order to create real and sustainable change we need to focus on changing the system. No matter how much money we have, if the system doesn&#8217;t change them real sustainable change is not possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Len Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FTT isn&#039;t about making boats more comfortable it&#039;s about the life and death of the 170 million children who are chronically malnourished, the half million who die every year because the can&#039;t afford ARV drugs, the one billion who go to bed hungry every night. What&#039;s comfortable about that?

The money generated by FTT needs to be solidly committed to compensate for the 4 trillion dollars in ODA pledges that have never materialized over the past 20 years. It then needs to be harnessed to a robust program to help children in particular as they are wholly dependent on adults for their basic needs.

The FTT proposals are too timid.
They ask for one fifth of one per cent of financial transactions. We should be pushing for a solid 1-2%.
Even at the lower rate, the tax would generate up to 350 billion a year for ODA needs that are going unmet.

The World Food Program feeds 21 million children school lunch in 80 countries every day. With another 3.2 billion a year, that number could rise to 66 million.
Case in point.

So, with sufficient courage, the FTT could transform ODA by providing a consistent flow of funds that are adequate to the needs that go unmet- day after day, as ten million children a year
die of wholly preventable causes.

That&#039;s not a very comfortable boat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FTT isn&#8217;t about making boats more comfortable it&#8217;s about the life and death of the 170 million children who are chronically malnourished, the half million who die every year because the can&#8217;t afford ARV drugs, the one billion who go to bed hungry every night. What&#8217;s comfortable about that?</p>
<p>The money generated by FTT needs to be solidly committed to compensate for the 4 trillion dollars in ODA pledges that have never materialized over the past 20 years. It then needs to be harnessed to a robust program to help children in particular as they are wholly dependent on adults for their basic needs.</p>
<p>The FTT proposals are too timid.<br />
They ask for one fifth of one per cent of financial transactions. We should be pushing for a solid 1-2%.<br />
Even at the lower rate, the tax would generate up to 350 billion a year for ODA needs that are going unmet.</p>
<p>The World Food Program feeds 21 million children school lunch in 80 countries every day. With another 3.2 billion a year, that number could rise to 66 million.<br />
Case in point.</p>
<p>So, with sufficient courage, the FTT could transform ODA by providing a consistent flow of funds that are adequate to the needs that go unmet- day after day, as ten million children a year<br />
die of wholly preventable causes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a very comfortable boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response Max.

I get it and I&#039;m not opposed to the tax - just as I wouldn&#039;t be opposed to more comfortable boats.

I guess I just wish we couldn&#039;t be putting our time and energies into more systemic changes rather than hoping for rampant capitalism to continue so that we can pick up some of the crumbs to make a difference with.

The FTT can do a great deal to rein in big finance, but even if we do that I think that another financial meltdown is inevitable. The system, in a larger way than just rampant speculation, is the problem.

Again, thanks for the response! It&#039;s good to hear how others are seeing this as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Max.</p>
<p>I get it and I&#8217;m not opposed to the tax &#8211; just as I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to more comfortable boats.</p>
<p>I guess I just wish we couldn&#8217;t be putting our time and energies into more systemic changes rather than hoping for rampant capitalism to continue so that we can pick up some of the crumbs to make a difference with.</p>
<p>The FTT can do a great deal to rein in big finance, but even if we do that I think that another financial meltdown is inevitable. The system, in a larger way than just rampant speculation, is the problem.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the response! It&#8217;s good to hear how others are seeing this as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the comments and messages about this blog- I am glad people liked it.

I wanted to respond to Lisa and Sam about the Robin Hood Tax.

Of course you are both right on many levels the fight against slavery is far more profound than the fight for Financial Transaction Tax.

I do think the comparison stands up in one main way- the huge power of the financial services industry and big finance generally in the modern era is very similar to the domination of slavery in the British and global economy of the late 18th century.

My firm belief is that the rapid deregulation of the financial sector has been the central driver of the brutal inequality that now sees FTSE 100 bosses getting a 50% pay rise in the year when ordinary people are seeing their pay, services and pensions cut to pay for the national debt run up to bail out banks.

So I would say to Sam that this is in fact a very principled issue- fighting for redistribution of wealth towards the many from the few. Fighting against perncious and unacceptable inequality in our society. Inequality and its ill-effects are the defining issue of our age.

A Financial Transaction Tax, like debt cancellation, is not enough on its own to rein in big finance- but I would disagree with you that it is a neglible thing, and encourage you to look again. There is no doubt that an FTT would be a major blow to the speculation that has led us into this financial crisis. It could lead to a 70% reduction in some of the most febrile and casino-like markets, that generate the billions in bonuses. In fact Joe Stiglitz has compared the FTT (which he supports)to environmental taxes- a tax on the polluting effect of toxic finance. This is also why the FTT is passionately and completely opposed by the financial sector and political leaders in the UK and US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments and messages about this blog- I am glad people liked it.</p>
<p>I wanted to respond to Lisa and Sam about the Robin Hood Tax.</p>
<p>Of course you are both right on many levels the fight against slavery is far more profound than the fight for Financial Transaction Tax.</p>
<p>I do think the comparison stands up in one main way- the huge power of the financial services industry and big finance generally in the modern era is very similar to the domination of slavery in the British and global economy of the late 18th century.</p>
<p>My firm belief is that the rapid deregulation of the financial sector has been the central driver of the brutal inequality that now sees FTSE 100 bosses getting a 50% pay rise in the year when ordinary people are seeing their pay, services and pensions cut to pay for the national debt run up to bail out banks.</p>
<p>So I would say to Sam that this is in fact a very principled issue- fighting for redistribution of wealth towards the many from the few. Fighting against perncious and unacceptable inequality in our society. Inequality and its ill-effects are the defining issue of our age.</p>
<p>A Financial Transaction Tax, like debt cancellation, is not enough on its own to rein in big finance- but I would disagree with you that it is a neglible thing, and encourage you to look again. There is no doubt that an FTT would be a major blow to the speculation that has led us into this financial crisis. It could lead to a 70% reduction in some of the most febrile and casino-like markets, that generate the billions in bonuses. In fact Joe Stiglitz has compared the FTT (which he supports)to environmental taxes- a tax on the polluting effect of toxic finance. This is also why the FTT is passionately and completely opposed by the financial sector and political leaders in the UK and US.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Spray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Spray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in 1991, I wrote a paper arguing that a campaign to abolish the international debt trade would have a good chance of success - like slavery, debt was morally obnoxious, opposed on the ground, and not essential to business. I feel old!
See pages 20-28 in :
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8lhCekBWzkoC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=inauthor:%22+University+of+Edinburgh.+Centre+for+Theology+and+Public+Issues%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=fV2jTbnUL8es8gPYtOSoAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5&amp;ved=0CEwQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 1991, I wrote a paper arguing that a campaign to abolish the international debt trade would have a good chance of success &#8211; like slavery, debt was morally obnoxious, opposed on the ground, and not essential to business. I feel old!<br />
See pages 20-28 in :<br />
<a href="http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8lhCekBWzkoC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=inauthor:%22+University+of+Edinburgh.+Centre+for+Theology+and+Public+Issues%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=fV2jTbnUL8es8gPYtOSoAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=5&#038;ved=0CEwQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8lhCekBWzkoC&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=inauthor:%22+University+of+Edinburgh.+Centre+for+Theology+and+Public+Issues%22&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=fV2jTbnUL8es8gPYtOSoAw&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=5&#038;ved=0CEwQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&#038;q&#038;f=false</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Post but I think the poor old Church of England doesn&#039;t get as much credit as it deserves in the Abolition movement. You mention Clarkson and Wilberforce but not their Anglicanism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Sect

Or in the founding of Oxfam for that matter with Canon Milford and the first meeting in University Church.

Do the Quakers have a better PR agency ? or is the Church Of England too establishment now to get a mention]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post but I think the poor old Church of England doesn&#8217;t get as much credit as it deserves in the Abolition movement. You mention Clarkson and Wilberforce but not their Anglicanism<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Sect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Sect</a></p>
<p>Or in the founding of Oxfam for that matter with Canon Milford and the first meeting in University Church.</p>
<p>Do the Quakers have a better PR agency ? or is the Church Of England too establishment now to get a mention</p>
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