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	<title>Comments on: Why &#8216;Why Nations Fail&#8217; Fails (mostly): review of Acemoglu and Robinson &#8211; 2012&#8217;s big development book</title>
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		<title>By: Tord Steiro</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duncan, I disagree with your criticism. The book isn&#039;t about predicting, it&#039;s about understanding certain dynamics.

hte china issue? OK, I see where you&#039;re coming from. But I think their point si that China can&#039;t grow sustainably and stable within it&#039;s current state-of-affairs, so there is not so much for Westerners to worry about. Except that it can get really really messy whenever China hits the wall. Or reform, for that matter. China is a bigger threat to itself and its immediate neighbours than it is to the US or the EU, so it&#039;s a bit wasteful to worry so much about it.

And what are they really asking for? Their new articel in teh Spectator holds some answers: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9121361/why-aid-fails/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan, I disagree with your criticism. The book isn&#8217;t about predicting, it&#8217;s about understanding certain dynamics.</p>
<p>hte china issue? OK, I see where you&#8217;re coming from. But I think their point si that China can&#8217;t grow sustainably and stable within it&#8217;s current state-of-affairs, so there is not so much for Westerners to worry about. Except that it can get really really messy whenever China hits the wall. Or reform, for that matter. China is a bigger threat to itself and its immediate neighbours than it is to the US or the EU, so it&#8217;s a bit wasteful to worry so much about it.</p>
<p>And what are they really asking for? Their new articel in teh Spectator holds some answers: <a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9121361/why-aid-fails/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9121361/why-aid-fails/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jae Yeon Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jae Yeon Kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your review. As a South Korean and a student of political science, I agreed to some extent your point. But I guess that the reasons that Acemoglu and Robinson brought S. Korea together with N. Korea is to illustrate that institutions play a bigger role than culture as the two countries shared language, ethnicity, and other things before they got separated by the Korean War in the mid 20th century. 

Also, with regards to the role of industrial policy, we need to raise a question on why that was possible in the first place. For instance, to successfully employ an industrial policy, we need a network of competent government bureaucrats, scientists &amp; engineers, and entrepreneurs. Where they came from? On that issue, such early social innovations like land reform in the 1950s paved a different path for South Korea compared to other developing countries. The reform made South Korea more equal or inclusive and those individuals who got educated during that period did important works later. I know this partly because I observed these things happened in my country. And from that perspective, I agreed that inclusive institutions are critical. 

Nonetheless, I agreed with your point that his view on China is somewhat inaccurate. It is not because his theoretical framework is wrong but his data is limited. China is a dragon with a long tail and the country has multiple centers of growth that cannot be judged by a snapshot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your review. As a South Korean and a student of political science, I agreed to some extent your point. But I guess that the reasons that Acemoglu and Robinson brought S. Korea together with N. Korea is to illustrate that institutions play a bigger role than culture as the two countries shared language, ethnicity, and other things before they got separated by the Korean War in the mid 20th century. </p>
<p>Also, with regards to the role of industrial policy, we need to raise a question on why that was possible in the first place. For instance, to successfully employ an industrial policy, we need a network of competent government bureaucrats, scientists &amp; engineers, and entrepreneurs. Where they came from? On that issue, such early social innovations like land reform in the 1950s paved a different path for South Korea compared to other developing countries. The reform made South Korea more equal or inclusive and those individuals who got educated during that period did important works later. I know this partly because I observed these things happened in my country. And from that perspective, I agreed that inclusive institutions are critical. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, I agreed with your point that his view on China is somewhat inaccurate. It is not because his theoretical framework is wrong but his data is limited. China is a dragon with a long tail and the country has multiple centers of growth that cannot be judged by a snapshot.</p>
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		<title>By: Prakash Kashwan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prakash Kashwan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well reviewed Duncan. I also agree with your critique of American devotionalism. Are there great institutional innovations- yes; but,are there also equally good number of innovative institutions that have stifled the expansion of freedoms – Indeed! Moreover, a careful scrutiny of how social and political life is shaped by a manipulative media and equally manipulative political machines tells us why there is more to a society than the institutions which under-gird its political economic system. All said and done, I think it is pretty great to hear economists say the following: “Politics trumps economics: ‘While economic institutions are critical for determining whether a country is poor or prosperous, it is politics and political institutions that determine what economic institutions a country has.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well reviewed Duncan. I also agree with your critique of American devotionalism. Are there great institutional innovations- yes; but,are there also equally good number of innovative institutions that have stifled the expansion of freedoms – Indeed! Moreover, a careful scrutiny of how social and political life is shaped by a manipulative media and equally manipulative political machines tells us why there is more to a society than the institutions which under-gird its political economic system. All said and done, I think it is pretty great to hear economists say the following: “Politics trumps economics: ‘While economic institutions are critical for determining whether a country is poor or prosperous, it is politics and political institutions that determine what economic institutions a country has.”</p>
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		<title>By: Prakash Kashwan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prakash Kashwan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well reviewed Duncan. I also agree with your critique of American devotionalism. Are there great institutional innovations- yes; but,are there also equally good number of innovative institutions that have stifled the expansion of freedoms - Indeed! Moreover, a careful scrutiny of how social and political life is shaped by a manipulative media and equally manipulative political machines tells us why there is more to a society than the institutions which under-gird its political economic system. All said and done, I think it is pretty to hear economists say the following: &quot;Politics trumps economics: ‘While economic institutions are critical for determining whether a country is poor or prosperous, it is politics and political institutions that determine what economic institutions a country has.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well reviewed Duncan. I also agree with your critique of American devotionalism. Are there great institutional innovations- yes; but,are there also equally good number of innovative institutions that have stifled the expansion of freedoms &#8211; Indeed! Moreover, a careful scrutiny of how social and political life is shaped by a manipulative media and equally manipulative political machines tells us why there is more to a society than the institutions which under-gird its political economic system. All said and done, I think it is pretty to hear economists say the following: &#8220;Politics trumps economics: ‘While economic institutions are critical for determining whether a country is poor or prosperous, it is politics and political institutions that determine what economic institutions a country has.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, William Easterly reviewed the book: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304724404577293714016708378.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, William Easterly reviewed the book: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304724404577293714016708378.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304724404577293714016708378.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anjela</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anjela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmms. Having finished the book recently, my problem with the book is two fold- 

a. after you read 400 odd pages, it boils down to- just and democratic governance is at the heart of development. this is scarcely an earth shaking revelation. 
b. low predictive or prescriptive capacity of the fairly teleological theory. 

Was fun reading it, but not sure what I take back after completing it (beyond an understanding of some lesser known but absolutely fascinating periods of history).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmms. Having finished the book recently, my problem with the book is two fold- </p>
<p>a. after you read 400 odd pages, it boils down to- just and democratic governance is at the heart of development. this is scarcely an earth shaking revelation.<br />
b. low predictive or prescriptive capacity of the fairly teleological theory. </p>
<p>Was fun reading it, but not sure what I take back after completing it (beyond an understanding of some lesser known but absolutely fascinating periods of history).</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree David, it&#039;s not so much that they can&#039;t predict when China collapses (I shouldn&#039;t have raised that), but that they are so certain that it will fail and other systems thrive, which seems at odds with their theory of change. Book&#039;s a bit schiz on this, I think]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree David, it&#8217;s not so much that they can&#8217;t predict when China collapses (I shouldn&#8217;t have raised that), but that they are so certain that it will fail and other systems thrive, which seems at odds with their theory of change. Book&#8217;s a bit schiz on this, I think</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The history of the last few hundred years shows that Westerners cannot understand China when they analyse it through a western lens!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The history of the last few hundred years shows that Westerners cannot understand China when they analyse it through a western lens!!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duncan, I agree on your highlighting of key trends as well as the bias toward an American model of inclusive political institutions that may bear only a passing resemblence to present practice, and the embedded norm of a liberal market economy with limited state involvement. I also found the historical sections that identify when and how path dependence continues or breaks, in terms of institutional drift, as the most interesting part to read.

I&#039;m surprised to see in the same review that you find the book too ambitious of a theory to explain everything, and then criticize it for its lack of predictive power vis-a-vis China. I&#039;m of the mind that the most valuable way to treat the book is as history, and that its restraint from saying &quot;now here&#039;s a recipe for this based on our sweeping review&quot; is a strong point. I&#039;d be much more critical if they suggested that they could predict when China will run into challenges to growth due to its political model not being inclusive enough to allow the current elite to suffer creative destruction.

It&#039;s very powerful as a narrative, so long as we resist the idea that because we&#039;ve heard the narrative, we have new prescriptions for the one true thing to be done in a country context for it to move to a better pathway. And that tendency (and resulting criticism) seems to be as much about reader expectations as about author intentions.

I&#039;d submit that it&#039;s the small things that matter - as in the Maxwell review above, which highlights a cutting edge to the governance agenda around APPP and Pritchett and Andrews - but that in retrospect, one can see how the small things aggregated into critical decisions, as this book shows. It&#039;s precisely because we can&#039;t know in advance which of the small things will be decisive that we can&#039;t take a shortcut to work only on &quot;big&quot; or &quot;right&quot; things or introduce a single best practice. We just have to keep muddling through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan, I agree on your highlighting of key trends as well as the bias toward an American model of inclusive political institutions that may bear only a passing resemblence to present practice, and the embedded norm of a liberal market economy with limited state involvement. I also found the historical sections that identify when and how path dependence continues or breaks, in terms of institutional drift, as the most interesting part to read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised to see in the same review that you find the book too ambitious of a theory to explain everything, and then criticize it for its lack of predictive power vis-a-vis China. I&#8217;m of the mind that the most valuable way to treat the book is as history, and that its restraint from saying &#8220;now here&#8217;s a recipe for this based on our sweeping review&#8221; is a strong point. I&#8217;d be much more critical if they suggested that they could predict when China will run into challenges to growth due to its political model not being inclusive enough to allow the current elite to suffer creative destruction.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very powerful as a narrative, so long as we resist the idea that because we&#8217;ve heard the narrative, we have new prescriptions for the one true thing to be done in a country context for it to move to a better pathway. And that tendency (and resulting criticism) seems to be as much about reader expectations as about author intentions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d submit that it&#8217;s the small things that matter &#8211; as in the Maxwell review above, which highlights a cutting edge to the governance agenda around APPP and Pritchett and Andrews &#8211; but that in retrospect, one can see how the small things aggregated into critical decisions, as this book shows. It&#8217;s precisely because we can&#8217;t know in advance which of the small things will be decisive that we can&#8217;t take a shortcut to work only on &#8220;big&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221; things or introduce a single best practice. We just have to keep muddling through.</p>
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		<title>By: Jiesheng</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jiesheng]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon Maxwell has also reviewed the book.

http://www.simonmaxwell.eu/blog/review-of-why-nations-fail-the-origins-of-power-prosperity-and-poverty-by-daron-acemoglu-and-james-robinson.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon Maxwell has also reviewed the book.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.simonmaxwell.eu/blog/review-of-why-nations-fail-the-origins-of-power-prosperity-and-poverty-by-daron-acemoglu-and-james-robinson.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.simonmaxwell.eu/blog/review-of-why-nations-fail-the-origins-of-power-prosperity-and-poverty-by-daron-acemoglu-and-james-robinson.html</a></p>
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